It’s the kind of TV interview you don't see every day.
Jesse Lee Peterson, host of “The Fallen State,” Christian activist, chats with Amber Rose, feminist, model and former girlfriend of Kanye West.
She calls it “one of my favorite interviews of all time. It's very rare that I sit down with a misogynistic, egotistical man [who] challenges my views on women and being a feminist, but if you know anything about me, you should know I love a good, petty cat fight every now and then – and I LOOOVE a challenge."
“The Fallen State” airs on WND TV among other online affiliates.
Rose provided insight into the unusual relationship-friendship between Kanye West and President Donald Trump, telling Peterson, “When I first saw Trump on the podium running for president, I was like, 'Oh, my God – that is Kanye in a white man's body.'"
For the last four years, the model has been sponsoring something called the “Amber Rose SlutWalk,” and also talked in depth about the Trump-West phenomenon.
"This is gonna take a good 5 minutes 'cause ima talk to you," she said. "I would like to think – and this is hypothetically speaking – I would like to think that Kanye met with Trump, and Trump said, 'Look, I seen these people, I knew they were gonna vote for me, and I used them to get elected, and I can't tell nobody that 'cause I wanna get a second term, but now that I'm in office, I really wanna make a change.' Now, Kanye can't snitch on him, he can't snitch on himself, so maybe he's thinking of the greater good of what Trump can do for the country? That's what I'm assuming. Kanye's the type of person that he loves art, and he loves the art in things, so I think that he appreciates the politics that Trump used in order to get in office. Because Trump was a Democrat for like 30 years I heard, so I can only hope that Trump kind of used the white people – seemingly racist white people – to get in office maybe for the greater good. I don't know."
(WARNING: Video contains some obscenities)
Rose said she thinks Trump is a “sexual predator. I feel bad for Melania. I want her to get a divorce and become an activist."
Why does she think Trump is a sexual predator?
"First of all, I'm a feminist," she said. "I believe women all the time. I give women the benefit of the doubt."
"Even when they're lying? Peterson asked.
"When people say that, I'm like, 'Look, sometimes there's just not good people in the world and they lie for the wrong reasons – for money or whatever – but when there's more than one woman with the same story and these women don't know each other, they don't want money, they want justice, that's when I feel like, OK, this is probably real."
Peterson pressed Amber, asking why she believes Trump's accusers and not Trump.
"Well, the fact that he said he goes and just randomly grabs women by their p--sy," she replied. "That was very offensive to me because I've been in those situations with very powerful men feeling like they can come and touch me inappropriately without consent. And that's what happens a lot with powerful men, rich men, men in general because their parents didn't teach them about consent."
She gave this analogy: "The reason women don't want to speak out and the same reason why the women that have gotten raped by Bill Cosby didn't come out for 20 years is because no one would believe them," Amber said during a long conversation with Peterson about today's rape culture. "In 1990, Bill Cosby was equivalent to Barack Obama. Now if Barack Obama raped me today, who do I call? Who will listen to me? No one because he is everyone's father figure. He is the classiest, most amazing person in the world. If he raped me, do I call 9-1-1? Do I call the FBI? They would laugh at me, and I would probably wait 20 years until another woman comes out and says, you know what? He raped me. And I say, I can't let her do this alone. I have to now speak up."
"If you look in the dictionary, the definition of a slut, it starts out and it says, 'A woman that is promiscuous, has a lot of sexual partners,'" Rose said. "But it never said 'a person.' So what happens is men can go out and be sexually liberated and have a bunch of women, but if a woman does it, there's all these derogatory labels that come with that, which is an extreme form of bullying for us, just like the gay community had to deal with all kinds of homosexual slurs, which in turn made people kill themselves. It's the same thing we deal with as women when we deal with whore, slut, ho."
Why does she embrace the derogatory word “slut”?
"I went through a divorce and then I started dating after that. So it's like, if going out on a date with a guy makes me a slut then that's just what I'm gonna be."
Peterson said his "heart broke" when he saw Rose's then-boyfriend 21 Savage holding up a sign at the 2017 SlutWalk that read, "I'm a ho, too."
"He is the most secure man I have ever met in my life for saying that, and I'm gonna tell you why," Rose responded. "If he can go out and he can sleep with an abundance of women, he is not labeled a ho; he is labeled a man. For me, I can sleep with three guys, and I'm labeled a ho. So he's basically saying, 'If she's a ho, I'm a ho, too.' That's it. I love 21 Savage for that. I thought it was amazing. He didn't give two sh-ts. Nope, he didn't care."
Catch up with Peterson’s provocative show “The Fallen State” in WND TV.